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Risingson
I hope this is in the right bit

I've got an Alienware laptop and I am using a Sound Blaster PCMCIA card for sound, so this means this I don't really need my 'onboard' Sound Card (AC97), so I've disabled it in Device Manager to free up the processor a little. I have also disabled my Wireless 802 chip and my firewire port as I never use them either, both through Device Manager for the same reasons.

I disabled it in Device Manager because I can't disable it in my BIOS as it doesn't support doing it. I disabled my Sound Card (AC97) because I believe it was causing conflicts with my PCMCIA Sound Card especially during Gameplay and was causing BSOD's, this has seemed to relieve the problem so that's OK, the only problem I've got now is that my system seems a little sluggish, especially during start-up and shutdown (I have run all the usuals like anti-virus/spam/defrag/reg-clean etc)

Will my system become more sluggish because I am disabling components via Device Manager as opposed to a BIOS disable?

I hope it doesn't as I can't disable using the BIOS and I don't want to re-enable parts otherwise it will cause BSOD's again.
HDD Mod'r
I'm not familiar with Alienware and I assume your running WinXP.
I gather that you were using AC97 before you disabled the device?
If so did you uninstall any AC97 software before installing the new soundcard?
That's pretty much all I can think of, hope it helps.
Tecknomage
QUOTE(Risingson @ Jul 23 2007, 04:52 PM) *

Will my system become more sluggish because I am disabling components via Device Manager as opposed to a BIOS disable?

I hope it doesn't as I can't disable using the BIOS and I don't want to re-enable parts otherwise it will cause BSOD's again.


You should always disable on-board devices in BIOS not in Device Manager.

Reserve Device Manager for dealing with PCI cards and their drivers.

Now, you cannot disable on-board devices in BIOS Setup? hairup.gif

Something very fishy if that is the case. Try enabling the device in Device Manager first, then disabling it in BIOS.
Risingson
I am using XP yes (too many scare stories to even think about Vista)

By using the AC97 before Disabling it, do you mean within the same session of Windows, if that's what you mean then no I didn't use it beforehand as the Sound Blaster PCMCIA is the Primary Sound Source. Although I didn't uninstall any drivers/software for it before I installed the Sound Blaster, as I still want the device to be utilised infrequently when I'm watching Videos etc which use the in-built speakers, without using headphones that I need to use for the Sound Blaster PCMCIA card, which I'm OK with as it's mainly for gaming and listening to music without disturbing others.

Now if I could use the PCMCIA card and get that to use the Built-in Speakers of the Laptop, I'd be happy as I could then fully disable the AC97.

@Tecknomage: No I can't disable anything in the BIOS, I believe it's one of those traits of Laptop Motherboards, I've already looked into seeing if there is an update for my BIOS which will enable me to disable components, but it seems as if that is the case, that Laptop BIOS's (or at least mine) don't use that feature, which is a bit of a pain in the bottom.

So unfortunately I can't re-enable it in Device Manger and then disable it in the BIOS, if I had a Desktop I'd probably alright and I'd slap the Manufacturer a little, but I've got a 'fairly' old Aleinware Laptop and I might as well do this -> banghead.gif (Some wierd smilies on this board)
HDD Mod'r
(I hear ya, I have all the PC's at work using XP, a "Vista Free" company.)

"I still want the device to be utilised infrequently when I'm watching Videos etc"
I can understand why but sound cards and old NICs used to give some real grief when doubled up with another brand.
But I'd think onboard sound (PCI bus) and PCMCIA (ISA Bus?) should be OK

I've worked on some older PC's and Laptops/notebooks and I couldn't disable some options in the BIOS that (today) we think of as normal.

You say it's an older Alienware Laptop, what's the make, model, and year?
Risingson
It an Alienware Area 51-M from late 2003, still fairly good but obviously not kick-bottom by some of todays standards.

Specs:
P4 2.8
1Gb RAM
60Gb HDD
ATI Mobility Radeon 9600/9700
XPSP2

As for my problem, I've got the start-up issue sorted now, it was actually Zone Alarm which was causing the delay, the two log files (for allowing and denying program access etc) had become hugely bloated and it was suggested to me to delete them and basically start again with them, and that's cleared it up nicely.

My Shutdown problem however is still there, but I think I know what the problem with that, Lack of RAMmage + RAM Hungry Game (BF2) + Large Page File to accomodate the lack of RAMmage = Long shutdown time to purge the Paging file
HDD Mod'r
At work I had found the XP graphics/marketing machines had real delay problems.
It all boiled down to too much junk running in the background, virtual memory usage, UPS battery backup, the sleep/hibernation and system restore functions too.

After fixing/removing/cleaning it up, scanning then defragging, the XP machines ran like quicksilver.

I don't have BattleField2, but from your last description it sounded like a virtual memory issue.
I forget how to enable the command for VM conservation.
Under Win98 I think it was added to the sys.ini or win.ini file.
I'll have to look at the marketing PCs at work to see what I did.
I'll let you know tommorrow.
Risingson
After a whole day resiting the urge to use a hammer, I think I've got things back to normal except one thing. One of the things I had disabled was the Wireless 802 chip, simply because I don't use wireless internet and don't intend to as I've never had success with it anyway. But after doing some searching one thing led to another and I came across this KB article from those 'lovely' people at Microsoft (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/311787). Which describes that a system could take upto 10 minutes to shut-down, which mine does as I've timed it, and that it is as a result of blah blah blah... but it doesn't tell you how to stop it or resolve it... handy ain't it. And searching Google doesn't come up with anything relevent and if there is something relevent that I'm missing, then it's a whole new bunch of programming thats way above my head.

So I've re-enabled the chip again and will give it a few days to get used to it again and see it sorts it out, something I really didn't want to do, but thems the breaks, I suppose
ranchhand
QUOTE
I am using XP yes (too many scare stories to even think about Vista)
Very wise move, especially with older machines and older games!!! At work we aren't even discussing Vista, and won't for minimally another year.

Something ain't right when it takes 10 minutes for a machine to shut down. HDD mod'r sounds like he is the one with more experience in this than me, but being the wild-eyed cowboy (at heart, anyway) that I am, I am going to get radical and probably furnish the laugh of the day for anyone reading this post.

How about running a Hijack This scan and posting it here? Every week I am "fixing" my friend's computers with one complaint or another, and many times I am surprised at what I find. I really don't expect to find anything since you only use the unit for gaming and do not access the internet, but it wouldn't hurt.
Risingson
Well I left things for a couple of days (post-802 chip re-enable) and nothing happend it was still the same old blargh, so I thought <bleep> it, so I backed everything up and re-installed windows again from fresh, which it probably needed doing anyway as I get the impression there's only so much you can do with Windows XP before it goes all stupid on you and you have to start again.

So I've got everything back to 'normal' at the moment now, just a couple of teething problems but I think I've got them sorted ('he says'). And now that I've got everything back to 'normal' I discovered that my PCMCIA Sound Card, now has the option of 'Audio Playback through Notebook Speakers', probably as the result of a new driver or interface which I couldn't use before or even download from Creative (it was probably not listed in the 'Software Auto Detect'). But its very quiet, but I'll search out Creative for that one. - SOUND CARD PROBLEM SOLVED

QUOTE
I don't have BattleField2, but from your last description it sounded like a virtual memory issue.
I forget how to enable the command for VM conservation.
Under Win98 I think it was added to the sys.ini or win.ini file.
I'll have to look at the marketing PCs at work to see what I did.
I'll let you know tommorrow.


But I'd still be interested in this, anything to get a little more umpfh out of my system.
Risingson
Sorry for this double post (hiding as a bump and update)

I've re-installed everything, but now it just seems a little laggy when playing games now, I've ran a Hikack this log and I'll post it below, no real idea on how to read into it that well (any pointers would be handy). But it seems weird when now if anything it's more 'bare-bones' than it was before I did a fresh install, plus drivers and everything else are probably more up to date than before.

I've also gone through quite a few of startup programs that don't need to be run and disabled/deleted/stopped them and I've also gone through a lot (not all) background services that were running and either Disabling them or changing them to Manual (for when needed), but it's still not quite there.

Ever get that feeling it's staring you in the face though.

QUOTE(HijackThis Log)
Logfile of Trend Micro HijackThis v2.0.2
Scan saved at 11:00:36 PM, on 7/31/2007
Platform: Windows XP SP2 (WinNT 5.01.2600)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v7.00 (7.00.6000.16473)
Boot mode: Normal

Running processes:
C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\Ati2evxx.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ZoneLabs\vsmon.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\Ati2evxx.exe
C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe
C:\Program Files\Zone Labs\ZoneAlarm\zlclient.exe
C:\Program Files\Creative\Shared Files\Module Loader\DLLML.exe
C:\Program Files\Creative\Sound Blaster Audigy 2\Surround Mixer\CTSysVol.exe
C:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static\MOM.EXE
C:\Program Files\Creative\Feature Mode Utility\CTModUtl.exe
C:\WINDOWS\CTHELPER.EXE
C:\Program Files\Google\GoogleToolbarNotifier\GoogleToolbarNotifier.exe
C:\Program Files\Creative\Feature Mode Utility\CTAPR.exe
C:\Program Files\Rainlendar\Rainlendar.exe
C:\Program Files\Windows Media Bonus Pack for Windows XP\PowerToys\mpxptray.exe
C:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static\ccc.exe
C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\IEXPLORE.EXE
C:\Program Files\Windows Media Player\wmplayer.exe
C:\Documents and Settings\***<name removed>***\Desktop\HiJackThis.exe

R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = about:blank
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=69157
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Search_URL = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=54896
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=54896
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=69157
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Connection Wizard,ShellNext = http://www.virgin.net/
O2 - BHO: Google Toolbar Helper - {AA58ED58-01DD-4d91-8333-CF10577473F7} - c:\program files\google\googletoolbar1.dll
O2 - BHO: Google Toolbar Notifier BHO - {AF69DE43-7D58-4638-B6FA-CE66B5AD205D} - C:\Program Files\Google\GoogleToolbarNotifier\2.0.301.7164\swg.dll
O3 - Toolbar: &Google - {2318C2B1-4965-11d4-9B18-009027A5CD4F} - c:\program files\google\googletoolbar1.dll
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ZoneAlarm Client] "C:\Program Files\Zone Labs\ZoneAlarm\zlclient.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SpeedTouch USB Diagnostics] "C:\Program Files\Virgin Net Broadband\Dragdiag.exe" /icon
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [StartCCC] C:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static\CLIStart.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [AudioDrvEmulator] "C:\Program Files\Creative\Shared Files\Module Loader\DLLML.exe" -1 AudioDrvEmulator "C:\Program Files\Creative\Shared Files\Module Loader\Audio Emulator\AudDrvEm.dll"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NeroFilterCheck] C:\Program Files\Common Files\Ahead\Lib\NeroCheck.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [CTSysVol] C:\Program Files\Creative\Sound Blaster Audigy 2\Surround Mixer\CTSysVol.exe /r
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [CTFeatureModeUtility] C:\Program Files\Creative\Feature Mode Utility\CTModUtl.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [CTHelper] CTHELPER.EXE
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [CTxfiHlp] CTXFIHLP.EXE
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [swg] C:\Program Files\Google\GoogleToolbarNotifier\GoogleToolbarNotifier.exe
O4 - Startup: Rainlendar.lnk = C:\Program Files\Rainlendar\Rainlendar.exe
O4 - Startup: Windows Media Player Tray Control.lnk = C:\Program Files\Windows Media Bonus Pack for Windows XP\PowerToys\mpxptray.exe
O8 - Extra context menu item: E&xport to Microsoft Excel - res://C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~2\OFFICE11\EXCEL.EXE/3000
O9 - Extra button: Research - {92780B25-18CC-41C8-B9BE-3C9C571A8263} - C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~2\OFFICE11\REFIEBAR.DLL
O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {e2e2dd38-d088-4134-82b7-f2ba38496583} - C:\WINDOWS\Network Diagnostic\xpnetdiag.exe
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: @xpsp3res.dll,-20001 - {e2e2dd38-d088-4134-82b7-f2ba38496583} - C:\WINDOWS\Network Diagnostic\xpnetdiag.exe
O9 - Extra button: Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Windows Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
O16 - DPF: {0A5FD7C5-A45C-49FC-ADB5-9952547D5715} (Creative Software AutoUpdate) - http://www.creative.com/su/ocx/15030/CTSUEng.cab
O16 - DPF: {6414512B-B978-451D-A0D8-FCFDF33E833C} (WUWebControl Class) - http://www.update.microsoft.com/windowsupd...b?1185676074531
O16 - DPF: {F6ACF75C-C32C-447B-9BEF-46B766368D29} (Creative Software AutoUpdate Support Package) - http://www.creative.com/su/ocx/15030/CTPID.cab
O17 - HKLM\System\CCS\Services\Tcpip\..\{67F65E52-EAA9-414F-96A1-FADE95172B13}: NameServer = 194.168.4.100 194.168.8.100
O23 - Service: Ad-Aware 2007 Service (aawservice) - Lavasoft AB - C:\Program Files\Lavasoft\Ad-Aware 2007\aawservice.exe
O23 - Service: Ati HotKey Poller - ATI Technologies Inc. - C:\WINDOWS\system32\Ati2evxx.exe
O23 - Service: ATI Smart - Unknown owner - C:\WINDOWS\system32\ati2sgag.exe
O23 - Service: Creative Service for CDROM Access - Creative Technology Ltd - C:\WINDOWS\system32\CTsvcCDA.EXE
O23 - Service: Google Updater Service (gusvc) - Google - C:\Program Files\Google\Common\Google Updater\GoogleUpdaterService.exe
O23 - Service: InstallDriver Table Manager (IDriverT) - Macrovision Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\InstallShield\Driver\11\Intel 32\IDriverT.exe
O23 - Service: NBService - Nero AG - C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\Nero BackItUp\NBService.exe
O23 - Service: NMIndexingService - Nero AG - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Ahead\Lib\NMIndexingService.exe
O23 - Service: PDAgent - Raxco Software, Inc. - C:\Program Files\Raxco\PerfectDisk\PDAgent.exe
O23 - Service: PDEngine - Raxco Software, Inc. - C:\Program Files\Raxco\PerfectDisk\PDEngine.exe
O23 - Service: TrueVector Internet Monitor (vsmon) - Zone Labs, LLC - C:\WINDOWS\system32\ZoneLabs\vsmon.exe

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Like I say if this makes sense to anyone or can help me read it properly (I've got a fair idea, but still...) then that would be fine and dandy.
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